ForgottenOrigins

Forgotten Origins – the Out of Australia Theory

The aims of this group are to share understandings related to Australia’s rich ancient past with a view to learning how that may be applied now and in the future. The subject matter of our page sometimes contains culturally sensitive topics related to Original history and we operate under the doctrine of Wirritjin – Black Fella, White Fella Dreaming: In remembrance of Karno W…., spokesperson for the Ramindjeri.

Australia has been visited in the past by the Ancient Egyptians, Phoenicians, Chinese, Spanish and Portuguese and perhaps others.

We are trying to change the worldview of Australian (Ab)Original people and culture positively and help to show their effect upon human development and civilisation. “Maybe if we can accept the truth, that we aren’t alone and part of something cosmic and grand, then we may start behaving like galactic citizens instead of global vandals”
(Steven Strong)

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15 hours ago

Jenefer Bell

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Wow, that is an amazing example of crop art. I don't know what the petroglyphs mean. Hopefully someone can finally shed some light on these mysterious signs. Thanks for posting.

I have a friend with a tattoo with similar characters that he says is of Chinese origin?!

Waiting for the day we find out who is doing this? How it is done? What they mean?

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15 hours ago

Tamilanpalaninathan

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That is very cool

Just a reminder: this Sunday 9am (E.S.T. Aussie/Saturday 7pm- New York Time) Our Webinar: It's All About Australia- Our First Steps (Part 2) is on. This webinar is only the price of a coffee and a piece of cake. We hope to see you there, from the speakers and moderators:- Steven and Evan William Strong, Bob Newton, Klaus Dona, Christine Walker, Ildi Budai, Curt Yalpo Mountain, Viv Greenshields, Leonard O'Neill and Wirritjin Stephen Robertson. Please Register and share around lets make this a great event: app.webinarjam.net/register/40269/646b758ac3 ... See MoreSee Less

Just a reminder: this Sunday 9am (E.S.T. Aussie/Saturday 7pm- New York Time) Our Webinar: Its All About Australia- Our First Steps (Part 2) is on. This webinar is only the price of a coffee and a piece of cake. We hope to see you there, from the speakers and moderators:- Steven and Evan William Strong, Bob Newton, Klaus Dona, Christine Walker, Ildi Budai, Curt Yalpo Mountain, Viv Greenshields, Leonard ONeill and Wirritjin Stephen Robertson. Please Register and share around lets make this a great event:  https://app.webinarjam.net/register/40269/646b758ac3

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Thank you for sharing. Will share to my wall.

cant wait for part 2 🙂

I havent got the email link yet Ildi, or is it coming later?

Couldn't make the live webinar, can I access it and pay to listen after the event?

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What are the Nazca Lines?

Discovered by Peruvian archaeologist Toribio Mejia Xesspe who spotted them while hiking through the surrounding foothills in 1927 they were not well known until seen from aircraft in the 1930's.

There are many theories about how the lines were constructed including the idea that construction was directed above from a balloon, but most archaeologists believe it was done from the ground using simple surveying techniques.

Spread over 500 sq km (310 sq mi) of arid, rock-strewn plain in the Pampa Colorada (Red Plain), the Nazca Lines are one of the world's great archaeological mysteries. Comprising over 800 straight lines, 300 geometric figures (geoglyphs) and 70 animal and plant drawings (biomorphs), the lines are almost imperceptible on the ground. From above, they form a striking network of stylized figures and channels, many of which radiate from a central axis.

Endless questions remain. Who constructed the lines and why? And how did they know what they were doing when the lines can only be properly appreciated from the air? Maria Reiche (1903–98), a German mathematician and long-time researcher of the lines, theorized that they were made by the Paracas and Nazca cultures between 900 BC and AD 600, with some additions by the Wari settlers from the highlands in the 7th century. She also claimed that the lines were an astronomical calendar developed for agricultural purposes, and that they were mapped out through the use of sophisticated mathematics (and a long rope). However, the handful of alignments Reiche discovered between the sun, stars and lines were not enough to convince scholars.

Join us August 26 at 7 pm PST with a presentation in Recoding Nazca Lines with renowned rogue researcher JD Jeffrey of Ancient Agenda presented to you by Watchers Talk.
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Published on Aug 20, 2017

It has been decided to release my presentation on the Forgotten Origins Webnar "Its all about Australia~Our First Steps" part 2.
This is my first conference of any sort and I'll say it was a challenge in the attempt to draw a picture I have wanted to do for a long time. Over the years I picked up various forms of communicating in the attempt to draw my picture and not one someone does for me. By no means am I saying I haven't had my path lit by an ancient spirit along the way that helped create the images I have in my mind. I hope using those acquired tools in this presentation makes it easier and I know from this 1st experience I have gained an upper hand on producing the next one.
I give my wife Anne Special Thanks for her patience over the past 5 years I have been working on how to draw the picture in my mind to share with others. Big Hugs.
I also thank Klaus Dona for supplying me with pictures of his OOPArts found around the globe and his support finding the deeper connections we have at Kariong, NSW Australia and in the interior.
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Bob Newton, The Rogue ResearcherPublished on Aug 20, 2017

It has been decided to release my presentation on the Forgotten Origins Webnar "Its all about Australia~Our First Steps" part 2.
This is my first conference of any sort and I'll say it was a challenge in the attempt to draw a picture I have wanted to do for a long time. Over the years I picked up various forms of communicating in the attempt to draw my picture and not one someone does for me. By no means am I saying I haven't had my path lit by an ancient spirit along the way that helped create the images I have in my mind. I hope using those acquired tools in this presentation makes it easier and I know from this 1st experience I have gained an upper hand on producing the next one.
I give my wife Anne Special Thanks for her patience over the past 5 years I have been working on how to draw the picture in my mind to share with others. Big Hugs.
I also thank Klaus Dona for supplying me with pictures of his OOPArts found around the globe and his support finding the deeper connections we have at Kariong, NSW Australia and in the interior.
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Bob Newton, The Rogue Researcher

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4 days ago

Jj Ainsworth

Discovery of Ancient Upturned Face at Devil's Quoits in Oxfordshire England 2017
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6 months ago

Evan William Strong

Putting all the Pieces Back Together: Australia's Stonehenge

By Steven & Evan Strong
We are utterly convinced that the Standing Stones complex is the most important archaeological site in Australia, if not the world. Acclaimed as the “oldest temple in the world”(1) and location where language, culture and esoteric wisdom began, this place demands to be recognised as a national treasure. Alas, that has not happened, simply because without the appearance of the actual rocks that once stood on the main mound and the hundreds of inter-connected stone arrangements, it seems the authorities will not act.
That was then, not now. With the strong chance the larger rocks taken from the principal mound have now been located, the most impressive feature that must be addressed relates to the tonnage and size of individual rocks. The only certainty found within the logistics of extraction, transportation and placement of thousands of tonnes of basalt on the mound in ancient days, is that such processes sit outside the reach of any mainstream historical version of pre-Cook Australia. Any explanation for what is now revealed in such unexpectedly huge dimensions must include metal blades, sophisticated means of transport, pulleys, wheels and all manner of supposedly exotic devices operating in a land of sticks and stones. Read More at:- forgottenorigin.com/putting-all-the-pieces-back-together-australias-stonehenge
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Putting all the Pieces Back Together: Australias Stonehenge

By Steven & Evan Strong
We are utterly convinced that the Standing Stones complex is the most important archaeological site in Australia, if not the world. Acclaimed as the “oldest temple in the world”(1) and location where language, culture and esoteric wisdom began, this place demands to be recognised as a national treasure. Alas, that has not happened, simply because without the appearance of the actual rocks that once stood on the main mound and the hundreds of inter-connected stone arrangements, it seems the authorities will not act.
               That was then, not now. With the strong chance the larger rocks taken from the principal mound have now been located, the most impressive feature that must be addressed relates to the tonnage and size of individual rocks. The only certainty found within the logistics of extraction, transportation and placement of thousands of tonnes of basalt on the mound in ancient days, is that such processes sit outside the reach of any mainstream historical version of pre-Cook Australia. Any explanation for what is now revealed in such unexpectedly huge dimensions must include metal blades, sophisticated means of transport, pulleys, wheels and all manner of supposedly exotic devices operating in a land of sticks and stones. Read More at:- http://forgottenorigin.com/putting-all-the-pieces-back-together-australias-stonehenge

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The Gympie Pyramid Story is very interesting too. I would like to visit it soon as I live not too far away from Gympie here in Queensland.

I hope that it can be brought back to its former glory. I plan on being down that way in a few months time. It would be amazing to go to this site. Thanks Evan 🙂

When I visited Boat Mountain for the first time in recent years, I was surprised how it looked more like a big ridge. It is only about 5 metres wide by I.3 km long. But in ancient times it would have been wider. It did seem to be man made to me because of it's unusual formation. I can see Boat Mountain from my kitchen window as I type this. There are many mound like hills nearby too that look to be like burial places. When I visited Boat Mountain last year in May I took my 20 year old nephew Brad with me. Something amazing happened when we were walking up on the mountain about halfway, a black scrub beetle (roach) crossed our path and came to me. I let it walk into my hand and it kind of gave me a happy feeling because I sensed that it wanted to connect and greet me also. It was quite heavy and so shiny too. I even took a short video of it playing in my hand. But unfortunately the video wasn't clear and the couple of photos I also took were on my old computer when it crashed last June. Surprisingly on our way back from looking at the other end of Boat Mountain, my nephew said 'look there is your beetle friend looking for you again' I picked up that cute beetle again for a couple of minutes and then I buried under all the leaves again. I did want to keep it but I thought I should put it back there in a safe spot on that mountain. I did feel something kind of spiritual about that dark glossy beetle and that was why I decided to leave it there. I always remember the second time I picked it up especially because it had a dog like behaviour as it was kind of like sniffing madly and looking up at me. My nephew saw that too and was amazed at it too. Now after that strange beetle event last year and what I know now (spiritually) means that I definitely have an ancient connection to a BEETLE. It must be the SCARAB beetle!

There is so much mystery about the Gympie Pyramid too. Many people including experts from around the world have visited there too. I feel the need to go there for the first time soon too!

excellent websit e article brother Evan; forgottenorigin.com/putting-all-the-pieces-back-together-australias-stonehenge It gives a good update on caretakership and ownership.. regarding the need for a geologist.. perhaps Indonesian geologist Dr Danny Hilman Natawidjaja that was instrumental in the Gunung Padang site in Java could be involved?..

Trakka JClarke you heard about this?

was portal along w englands?

This is amazing ! Please keep us updated on the project

They rebuilt stonehenge...did you know that?

Yes!

when they rebuilt Stonehenge in the 1950's, they used the modern s9lstice to line it up - therevy denying us where the real original solstice had been. We could have worked out a great deal had we been privelege to the original December solstice

Evan if & when we get to a point of rebuiling this structure.. I have To earth moving equipment that would be able to most of work needed.. We might have to hire for the biggest pieces..

Bother Rob... 🙂

Andy Porter that is a kind offer will def get back to you when and hopefully we come to that stage 🙂

I sense there are a lot of people sitting on the side lines @ this point ready to support .. If this structure was important enough to disass.. Then it is even more im to to reassemble... This will take time & preparation to Bing

back to lighr x

Bring back to Light .. blessings x

Has the remote sensing satellite images been integrated into a GIS/LIS like ArcInfo yet?

We must also wonder what happens when things are interfered with such as taking away original markers/monuments? Look how massive things have been stolen from Egypt and are now standing in other countries. As we now know more about their purposes on energy lines (ley lines). I also read an article years ago on the Great Sphinx, and learned that there used to be a big ruby inside it that would energize the whole monument at different times with the sun. Most likely when the sun was in the sign of Aries or Leo because of the big red gem being a 'fire' stone. So could this also mean a positive connection with the planet Mars too? Remember that strange face on Mars? I also read that some believe that it is Tut's face on the Great Sphinx today. Well why wouldn't it be considering that we now know that he was the Son of God, not Jesus!

Daine Runnalls

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Here is the link to the archive of today's broadcast on Revolution Radio. Check it out if you have the time and brain space.
www.spreaker.com/…/rouge-researcher-w-jd-jeffrey-on-…Here is the link to the archive of today's broadcast on Revolution Radio. Check it out if you have the time and brain space.
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Here is the link to the archive of todays broadcast on Revolution Radio. Check it out if you have the time and brain space.
http://www.spreaker.com/…/rouge-researcher-w-jd-jeffrey-on-…

Check it out or stay tuned for the archive.
USOKS Radio's Rogue is Hosting "Who's Behind the Door" today with JD Jeffrey from Ancient Agenda where JD is going to share his research for 2 hours. Join us if you have the time.Check it out, this could be lots of fun.
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Check it out or stay tuned for the archive. 
USOKS Radios Rogue is Hosting Whos Behind the Door today with JD Jeffrey from Ancient Agenda where JD is going to share his research for 2 hours. Join us if you have the time.

I live in remote Western Australia on a cattle station. Everywhere I walk there is evidence of human habitation prior to the Western incursion. Today our road was closed due to rain, so instead of going to work I walked ... within km of the homestead i found evidence of ancient habitation, foundations of somesort in the coffee rock... very organic, made when it was mud. On these, obvious fire scarring, and laying around where dropped, many, many flaked tools. I felt very insignificant in the greater scheme of things. ... See MoreSee Less

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It tells a storey

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Hey guys...am really excited about webinar!! Would love for my kids to see. How long will it go for? Need to reorganise so they can attend. Thanks x

Is there a link so I can book

Ill help where i can ☺

Well said 😁

Hello steven

Think about what the answer is. Think....

Karen Coghill

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2 weeks ago

Jack Mac Nab

youtu.be/nanydMmXgwQThis site is located about a 1/2 hour drive from where I live here in Klagenfurt Austria. It is believed that this site is 4-5000 years old. ... See MoreSee Less

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Ramindjeri Culture Keepers-
Round the Table Discussion about Karno and Culture Centre

Video for webinar- www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy7dxfdwmUY
Register Now- app.webinarjam.net/register/40269/646b758ac3

It will be a cross between reminiscing about the words, deeds and impact Karno had on others and the Original Culture and a discussion about the Ramindjeri legacy and how it will be protected and honoured through the Culture centre on Karta (Kangaroo Island).

Christine Walker is the anchor of this cultural space since the passing of her husband not very long ago. Their union represented their envisioning of the concept of Wirritjin they created together. Their love created a space of unity within which the seed of Wirritjin was planted. The seed we wish to nurture for future generations. Indeed, Spirit knows no colour.

Christine has been an integral part of the Dreaming of Wirritjin, the vision of the Wulde Waiirri Murray Lagoon Sanctury on Kangaroo Island and the planning of the Ramindjeri Cultural Centre. She is also on the Ramindjeri Council monitoring Ancestral Lands and documents men's and women's ceremonial sites. She is overseeing this community development project to preserve the Ramindjeri culture for posterity and to keep the spirit of Wirritjin alive.

Unbulara (Viv Greenshields) was Karno's Aunty and also his Elder. Unbulara is also a respected Elder of the Ramindjeri people and is Chair of the Ramindjeri Heritage Association. She touches on the impact the Indigenous Land Corporation (ILC) has had on the Ramindjeri case and shares Karno's passion and strength in her story.” Louise Clarke.

Wirritjin Stephen Robertson and Curt Yalpo Mountain have been working with Karno for some considerable time on many cultural and historical matters. Both were given a full three day ceremony and were chosen to carry on the work Karno was involved in. Their role combined is to maintain the Ramindjeri legacy Karno so fiercely defended. Ceremony, magic, Old Way sensibilities and the real truth regarding the Original path are but some of their concerns and inspiration.

Article Links:
www.gofundme.com/wirritjin
forgottenorigin.com/its-time-to-go-home-karta-is-waiting
forgottenorigin.com/its-time-the-fate-of-the-ramindjeri
forgottenorigin.com/wirritjin-spirit-knows-no-colour
forgottenorigin.com/divide-and-conquer-the-fate-of-karta-kangaroo-island
forgottenorigin.com/the-irish-club-adelaide-crossing-the-divide
forgottenorigin.com/from-the-beginning-article-by-steven-evan-strong-with-karno-walker-ramindjeri...
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Ramindjeri Culture Keepers-
Round the Table Discussion about Karno and Culture Centre

Video for webinar- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy7dxfdwmUY 
Register Now- https://app.webinarjam.net/register/40269/646b758ac3

It will be a cross between reminiscing about the words, deeds and impact Karno had on others and the Original Culture and a discussion about the Ramindjeri legacy and how it will be protected and honoured through the Culture centre on Karta (Kangaroo Island).

“Christine Walker is the anchor of this cultural space since the passing of her husband not very long ago.  Their union represented their envisioning of the concept of Wirritjin they created together.  Their love created a space of unity within which the seed of Wirritjin was planted.  The seed we wish to nurture for future generations.  Indeed, Spirit knows no colour.   

Christine has been an integral part of the Dreaming of Wirritjin, the vision of the Wulde Waiirri Murray Lagoon Sanctury on Kangaroo Island and the planning of the Ramindjeri Cultural Centre.  She is also on the Ramindjeri Council monitoring Ancestral Lands and documents mens and womens ceremonial sites.  She is overseeing this community development project to preserve the Ramindjeri culture for posterity and to keep the spirit of Wirritjin alive.

Unbulara (Viv Greenshields) was Karnos Aunty and also his Elder.  Unbulara is also a respected Elder of the Ramindjeri people and is Chair of the Ramindjeri Heritage Association.  She touches on the impact the Indigenous Land Corporation (ILC) has had on the Ramindjeri case and shares Karnos passion and strength in her story.” Louise Clarke.

Wirritjin Stephen Robertson and Curt Yalpo Mountain have been working with Karno for some considerable time on many cultural and historical matters. Both were given a full three day ceremony and were chosen to carry on the work Karno was involved in. Their role combined is to maintain the Ramindjeri legacy Karno so fiercely defended. Ceremony, magic, Old Way sensibilities and the real truth regarding the Original path are but some of their concerns and inspiration.

Article Links:
https://www.gofundme.com/wirritjin
http://forgottenorigin.com/its-time-to-go-home-karta-is-waiting
http://forgottenorigin.com/its-time-the-fate-of-the-ramindjeri
http://forgottenorigin.com/wirritjin-spirit-knows-no-colour
http://forgottenorigin.com/divide-and-conquer-the-fate-of-karta-kangaroo-island
http://forgottenorigin.com/the-irish-club-adelaide-crossing-the-divide
http://forgottenorigin.com/from-the-beginning-article-by-steven-evan-strong-with-karno-walker-ramindjeri-spokesperson

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Adam Hogan book here 😊

Impressive ancient Assyrian / Babylonian artifacts !
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2 weeks ago

Bruce Stegiel

Interesting revision on Neanderthal populations.

New look at archaic DNA rewrites the story of human evolution
Researchers at the University of Utah created a new way to analyse DNA which recreates the early history of ancient human-like populations including Neanderthals and Denisovans.
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Enter the world where most mainstream academics fear to tread.......We are blessed to have such renowned international speakers Klaus Dona and Bob Newton for our 2nd Webinar. Coupled with Original custodians:- Ramindjeri Spokespeople (Christine Walker, Wirritjin Stephen Robertson and Curt Yalpo Mountain) with award winning musician and activist Jingki (Kerrianne Cox).
"It's All About Australia: Our First Steps (Part 2)" From Steven, Evan William Strong and Ildi Budai
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Enter the world where most mainstream academics fear to tread.......We are blessed to have such renowned international speakers Klaus Dona and Bob Newton for our 2nd Webinar. Coupled with Original custodians:- Ramindjeri Spokespeople (Christine Walker, Wirritjin Stephen Robertson and Curt Yalpo Mountain) with award winning musician and activist Jingki (Kerrianne Cox). 
Its All About Australia: Our First Steps (Part 2) From Steven, Evan William Strong and Ildi Budai 
Register Now: https://app.webinarjam.net/register/40269/646b758ac3

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Hi I have sent your page a message with some question. Please check your private messenger

ANYONE who andorses (would-be) "Queen" Jingki is entirely out of step with proper law/lore and culture. She is NOT the "Queen" of this continent - maybe "Queen" of her own mob, but CERTAINLY not my mob.

ANYONE who endorses "queen" Jingki is entirely out of step with Lore and culture.......a fool who claims to be the "queen" over this continent.

Mark McMurtrie Take your responses on issue's you have with other activists elsewhere! This is not about yours or others internal politics. This is about the webinar on telling the truth of our people and with the help of all our mob across the country. We did not come from Africa! If you believe that then you are not fully in touch with tradition/lore. You are being handed your thoughts and information straight from the ignorant white man's head. Who already has idiots out there making claims like we came from Africa years ago and wiped out the pygmies. That the Indians wiped out the original people in the U.S and that the Ancient Egyptians where white! Even groups like the KKK are promoting false information. Anyone can attend the webinar. Who cares if Kerri Anne is attending.I would say the same to her if she said something about you attending! And so I guess your saying the other people attending from around the country don't know what they are talking about either. Only you and your mob. Wake up!

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From Bob Newton a cool vid introducing his segment of the upcoming webinar, Register now: app.webinarjam.net/register/40269/646b758ac3

The Rogue Researcher
I made a video introducing myself and spoke about the Webnar Conference I will be doing on the 19th of August. Check it out.
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Ngurrara Native Title claimants mob painting country and sitting on country, Fitzroy Crossing, WA.

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3 weeks ago

Daniel Shtern

The experiment with the «Wands of Ra» and the aura on VIDEO. (ENGLISH VERSION). www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mjwJZ4lWmg&t=35s
Research topic: the influence of the "Wands of Ra" exposed in the pyramid on the energetical and physical structure of the human body.
Gas Discharge Visualization (GDV) is the computer recording and analysis of luminescence induced by biological objects when stimulated by an electromagnetic field with amplification in a gas discharge.
On the basis of the GDV method, a group of scientists headed by Professor KG Korotkov (ITMO, St. Petersburg) the GDV Camera device was developed. GDV auracamera was clinically tested, entered in the state register of medical equipment and certified by the Ministry of Health of the Russian Federation.Research topic: the influence of the "Wands of Ra" exposed in the pyramid on the energetical and physical structure of the human body. ►Wands of RA website -...
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=xy7dxfdwmUY Check out our promo. video for our next webinar. Please share around to the other groups, pages and to friends you all might think would be interested. This stands to be a great webinar with an awesome array of speakers, but we need your help....
so please share around and register: app.webinarjam.net/register/40269/646b758ac3
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Awesome work guys, I shall share like crazy once I finish work. Absolutely brilliant 🙂

Benn Hallett

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A sacred site, known as Murujuga, is home to the world’s largest collection of rock art but is under threat from the mining industry. This award-nominated documentary highlights the battle undertaken by the people of Western Australia’s Pilbara region to protect the Burrup Peninsula.
#ConnectionToCountry airs Sunday, 6 August at 8.30pm on @NITV & 9.30pm on @SBS Australia. #YouAreHere
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A sacred site, known as Murujuga, is home to the world’s largest collection of rock art but is under threat from the mining industry. This award-nominated documentary highlights the battle undertaken by the people of Western Australia’s Pilbara region to protect the Burrup Peneinsula. #ConnectionToCountry airs Sunday, 6 August at 8.30pm on NITV & 9.30pm on SBS Australia. #YouAreHere
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3 weeks ago

Alan VanArsdale

A summary
1. What all humans are today, comes from many events of different races of "archaic" humans meeting and mixing. Even mixing with apes, though the only genetic proof of this is that we mixed with chimps about 4 million years ago. So we are what is called a mosaic, a mixture of features of many peoples and apes over millions of years of time. Chinese paleoanthropologists have long been the strongest for the multiregional hypothesis, to show that features of Homo erectus in China still can be seen today more in Asian people than other races. I can see features in living humans, which define our living races (through small amounts of genes from apes, and much larger amounts from our local ancestors who were archaic humans), coming from many extinct races of archaic and modern humans, and many types of apes also. When Gigantopithecines (some of them our size, others were giants the largest apes we know about ever to live), were first moved in an article from being a type of human to a type of ape, the article touched upon this. Their dental features are more common today in areas they are known to have lived than in other places such as Europe or Africa. "Out of Africa" is incorrect, first they said we only come from Africa 60,000 years ago, now they say we have tiny bit of genes from three types of archaic humans from outside of Africa, this is still completely wrong. We do come some from Africa in the last 60,000 to 200,000 years, but we are also made up of many other peoples, many of whom never visited Africa.
2. Asian peoples before Homo sapiens can be distinguished from African peoples by certain sets of diagnostic character states. This goes all the way back into all Asiatic apes for the high vault of the Asiatic head, versus the flat topped head and strongly projecting eye brow ridges for African apes and humans. Before Homo erectus, all Asian Homo and apes, and all African Homo and apes, can be identified as to where they lived just by these features alone. Another distinguishing feature over time is the upper first molar. It is much smaller in all known Asiatic archaic humans relative to the other teeth than in all known African archaic humans.
3. Beginning with Homo erectus, there was a increased between peoples of Asia (which includes Europe and Australia), and Africa. As the fossil record now shows us, Asiatic archaic humans have even smaller M1 relative to the other teeth than we do. What that tells us, is that the M1 getting smaller was not by evolution in pure African humans, it was from mixing of African humans with Asian humans. So three times in our ancestry we were hybrids of African and Asian humans. The last mixing was from Asiatic archaic humans invading Africa about 200,000 years ago, and mixing with local people to yield anatomically modern humans (all of us living today).
4. Scientists for decades have identified the three "evolutionary stages" in Homo from the basal Homo by the relative size of the M1 to the other teeth. The three evolutionary "jumps" instead represent hybridization events between African and Asian humans. Travel by rivers and sea and the ability to live in and cross cold deserts greatly enhanced gene flow between Africa and Asia from Homo erectus forward. So from this time we begin to see a lot of African features in Asia, and a lot of Asian features in Africa. Scientists have proposed that the high domed head of living humans is a recent derived feature, which evolved from Africans. Instead the fossil record now shows us this is an Asiatic feature shared by all Asiatic apes, and known Asiatic Homo before African Homo erectus entered, and some neandertals and all living humans. Red Deer Cave Man being the "missing link" between high domed ape sized brain Homo and Homo sapiens with intermediate cranial capacity. African brow ridges for apes and humans project out, Asian fossil humans, Asian apes, all living humans, and some neandertal did not (or do not) have either the projecting brow ridges or the flat topped heads. Today our hips and legs come from African heritage, the main features of our heads and teeth come from Asiatic heritage.The origin of Homo being fully bipedal Asiatic brachiators something like gibbons in locomotion, which migragted into Asia and there radiated.
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Why do you have to spoil it by repetedly stressing interbreeding with apes? That's science fiction and makes your text look cheap. Please revise it.

It has already been proven scientifically our distant direct ancestors interbred with chimps, and that living humans have chimp gene sequences and chimps have human gene sequences. Nor is it disputed that we are in fact apes (in science), so all breeding of humans is with apes, apes with apes. What I am pointing out is that there is considerable fossil evidence, that humans are a mosaic of different apes, not just one lineage from some unknown ape mixing with only one ape in the last 6 million years (chimps). I am proposing the breeding with apes all took place at the time of or earlier than it has been proven we mixed with chimps around 4 million years ago (4-8 million years ago). Sorry if mixing with apes offends anyone, but for mixing with the human line with chimps around 4 million years ago, this is not disputed among scientists at this time. There is no genetic proof for mixing with extinct apes as there are no genetic samples for extinct apes known now. We can only go by morphology (compare for example the Lufengpithecus cranium, only one known, with the cranium of Homo floresiensis, much more similar than to any ape known from Africa). And for living apes, the evidence is in fact that they keep interbreeding for at least about a million years after initial divergences (see this references below), for within chimps. For the human lineage, the evidence points to more on the order of around 2 or more million years with divergences from living apes. pgl.soe.ucsc.edu/cahill_philTrans16.pdf

Sure, the other day an article claiming such a mosaic evolurion of hominins came out. But, dear Alen, chimps only share with us a common ancestry, and that's something else. Our ancestors, in the early stages, during speciation, might have interbred with the ancestors of chimps, no worries. But, 4 my ago there were no chimps around, only hominids that would evolve to chimps. I went to bed last night feeling like a hanky panky with a Homo erectus lady... None of 'em left...

George, I am multilingual and have limited ability in languages such as "genetics" and German. But I only understand, but do not speak, Australian. I can speak the English of India some. So we can have linguistic confusion about what an ape is. For me honestly chimps gorillas and Lufengpithecus are people also, but not gibbons or monkeys. Here I have written an essay about this and Native American apes known by our people for thousands of years, the tzetzeguyape which still live in their hundreds near my wifes home town in Central America. www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=306712023126657&id=100013635852716

No doubt about that, we are apes. Mad apes. The LCA of chimps and hominins is definitively an ape, but less apish than, say a chimp. Gorillas and sapients are both the outcome of evolutionary processes, biological, or cultural. But, by the time chimps speciated, there was already a genetic barrier between them and archaic hominins. Your Central American erectus belongs to the latter. The only Out of Africa event was approximately 1.9 mya. I'm an outspoken advocate of multiregional evolution, of an early origin of cognitive modernity, etc. Basically, my critic was not of what you say but, of how you say it. We're threading on thin ice here, so we must stay precise and cautious. Otherwise, we may easily discredit the work of those who dare challenging the prevalent orthodoxies. Anyway, I like your 'essay.' You see, 20 years ago, the SE Asian tales about the Orang Pendek were ridiculized. After Hobbit was unearthed, the question is not if the Orang Pendek exists but, when will it be contacted? There's absolutely no reason to doubt that isolated groups of pygmy erectus are our contemporaries. The same goes for Central and NE Asia, the Rockies, and Central America. You know what I'm talking about. Thank you for your detailed reply Alan VanArsdale, without it I would've never learnt about our Central American cousins.

I believe the LCA for chimps and humans, for which it is accepted in the literature at this time is unknown, was much more human like than chimp like. There is generally a genetic barrier present upon initial divergence, such as with Pan troglodytes and bonobos, it is usually some physical barrier such as the Congo River. Yet we now know they were crossing it and mixing in a big way for at least a million years. And there are gene sequences in us which for sure developed in protochimps long after we were mostly genetically isolated from them. Protochimps are neartly unknown also in the fossil record. This along with the six million year gap in the fossil record or Orangs casts doubts that anyone can know where the unknown ancestral group(s) for Homo were geographically.

At least we agree on one thing, namely: we do not descend from monkeys (a creationist's nightmare) but, opposite 😉 I've just read your piece on the San. If I were you, I'd delete it.

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If you google it there are stories but it has been called out as a fake, the images are the same as from an excavation of a woolly mammoth skeleton in Paris

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I would suggest it's a phony news article. The list of far-fetched headlines down the right side of the page is pretty unbelievable

Fakery. There no such thing only BULLSHIT from dickheads stirring up yhe pot of lies of the western society.

yep - came from a fake news site

Anyone with sustained bipedalism and more than 8 about feet tall would no longer be classified as an anatomically modern human, or they would have to have undergone some major changes in their osteological structure for such a thing. All known anatomically modern humans that have grown that large were unable to walk, or at least only very poorly. The larger branches of Gigantopithecus are known mostly just from teeth, without enough bones to say if they were quadrupeds or bipeds. It may be the females were bipeds and the males usually walked on their fists knuckles or palms in addition to their feet. If the largest males were sustained bipeds, then they would have to have had very thick leg bones to support their weight (there is a lot of debate about how much they weighed, at least 800 pounds I think, possibly much more). That is sustained bipeds in Homo or apes would have to have very thick leg bones and would not have proportions looking much like us. So illustrations and fake fossil human or ape giants with our proportions are fantasies not real, unless they were quadrupeds not bipeds. They would have also needed disproportionately large feet.

naaa, its a con for sure..

Thought it was

18 foot Giants have been seen in Afghanistan. Alaska and Montana so why not central Australia.

Juzt likd there is no kanaroos or koalas in Afghanistan or any where else doesn't mean to say there were giants in australia. The tribes here never have any such thing in their stories.

Some of the Native American stories of giants in the South of South America it is thought describe giant ground sloths. They got really big, and lived up until about 10,000 years ago, much bigger than any person can get and still walk on two legs as they did. And arrows would in fact as reported bounce off of them, as they had dermal bones. I have trouble finding much in the way of reliable reports of giant humans or apes in the Americas South of Central America. There were some big people, maybe as big as 8 feet tall, but reports of people bigger than 8 feet tall do not seem reliable. The sloths walked upright on two legs and weighed as much as 2000 pounds. They would have been able to tear a man apart with their claws.

The yowie I seen stood in about 8ft

If their was mega fauna there was possible mega humans???

So far as I am aware there are no human or ape remains in Australia more than 50,000 years old. Yet it appears there have been fire users for about 160,000 years. We do not know what sort of humans or apes lived in Australia, or if any may have survived. It would be expected any unknown giant humans or apes would have to have a lot of trees around, and be far from technological humans, on the order of 15 miles from the nearest house or road. Since new apes have recently been found in the Congo (bonobos and giant chimps), there is still hope some may be documented other places as well.

BS

this was from a fake news site.

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